Showing posts with label Balochistan. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Balochistan. Show all posts

Friday, April 10, 2015

Makran Coastal Highway is Safe Even for Families

Asked
Dear Muzamil,



Just read your articles on the road trips that you made on the Makran coastal highway. They are very informative so thank you for that. I also want to experience the journey right till gawadar however, I would like to seek your advice mainly on the security situation; especially if you are from Punjab (Lahore). I have recently, shifted to Karachi and desperately wanted to travel on on MCH however, almost everybody whom he sought the advice, has advised me against the idea. Mainly because I am from Lahore (hence a Punjabi despite being a native Urdu speaker).



I just wanted to seek your advice mainly because you have been there on more than one occasion so can share your first hand experience about security for somebody who has NIC from punjab..does it really matter if you disclose or get disclosed that you are a Punjabi? Do they really check your NIC? Because otherwise I can speak really fluent Urdu (this being my mother language). The rest of the factors like road condition, fuel, food, hotel does not matter as I am an experienced traveller and can manage all that.



You can either write back on we can talk on the phone. my cell is xxxxxxxxxxx. Or else, let me have yours and I will give you a call at a time of your convenience.



Thanks a lot in advance,


HS  

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Dear HS
Thanks for your email and visiting my travel blog.
I understand your concern regarding safety especially from the ethnic angle. This is true that there is not much liking of Punjabis, justified or not, in parts of Baluchistan.
While having a take on Baluchistan's security, this is important to remember that the province is too big for a simple generalization. Makran Coast is nowhere close to Dera Bugti, not only security wise but geographically also as the distance between two towns is 1,300km! The coastal belt is largely isolated from the rest of the province hence making it immune from most of the happenings, and hate feelings. Furthermore, inhabitants are generally peaceful fishermen who have been attached to this profession since centuries and have been doing that quite peacefully.
The only significant outlet from Makran Coast, other than the RCD Highway, is the town of Turbat, which is located North of Pasni. Although there had been security incidents in Turbat in the recent past but I don't consider that a big risk especially if you don't plan to stay, or visit, Pasni. Personally, I have been to Pasni a couple of time, both times with Panjabi friends, and did not find out anything of concern. At one occasion we stayed with Maritime people and they were indeed concerned about the security.
So this might be the only place where you may like to be cautious, but not over-cautious.
Coming to the ethnic thing, and about people suggesting you against traveling, let me share that I was also given these warnings whenever I planned a trip to the Coastal Highway, mostly from people who have never traveled there and neither have a plan to do that!
Believe me, nobody will be really bothered to know if you are a Punjabi, unless you tell them yourself, however, they might be interested in knowing the place you are coming from. Nobody is checking NIC except for the security checks of various government agencies, which is assuring in itself.
Having said all that, I would suggest taking precautions, such as wearing shalwar kameez, planning your stops beforehand, being polite to locals, keeping a low profile, and avoiding political discussions. In fact, I noticed that if you show some sympathy about their plight you get more favorable and friendly response.
So these are my two cents worth, hopefully helpful.
If you need any further assistance, please feel free to write back or contact me at 0300206260. It will be my pleasure to help you.
Have a great trip
Muzzammil


Asked

Hi Muzamil,



Thanks for a very honest, prompt and comprehensive advice. Your words have definitely strengthened my resolve to finally travel on MCH. And I might do it sooner rather than later (may be the coming weekend). I have noted your cell and might bother you for some advice on stops and spots worth visiting etc. Although you have already done enough to wipe any doubts in my mind about this ethnic disturbance in Baluchistan and I might sound like an idiot to keep bragging about the same issue, but it is just that besides my NIC, my car also has Punjab number plates and the word 'Punjab' appears quite prominently on it :). I hope that would not cause an issue, especially when i reach a town like omara or gawadar (a might skip Pasni in my first trip). Or would you advise to use a Karachi number plate car (from rent a car)?.



Thanks again for all your help


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You are most welcome Hasan :-) In fact I am pleased to know that you found my too long response relevant and helpful.
The concern about security is never exaggerated. When I travel I try to manage security rather than ignoring and the first step towards managing is having maximum information about the ground realities.
Imo, Punjab number plates is indeed an issue. I believe there will be absolutely no problem uptil Ormara, as the route is very thinly populated and you will sparingly see human beings let alone observers. Beyond that might not be a big problem either, especially when you are skipping Pasni but Pasni-Gwadar is 'relatively' busy so you may find observers. So it actually leaves roaming around Gwadar a major issue. Yes you will be noticed and though will not be bothered by ordinary people, which I must reiterate are usually friendly and not hostile. However, it might give a legitimate target to miscreants because of their perceptions.
The alternative of renting a car is also having its own risk. Firstly you will be depending on something which you have not used, which is a risk in its own on this route. Please don't ignore this risk. This road might be one of the least inhabited roads in the world with almost non-existent road facilities and absolutely no emergency rescue. However, if you feel that this is the only option, than only rent a car from Karachi-Gwadar operators - you will find their offices along Karachi-Gwadar bus companies. I have observed that Karachi-Quetta bus companies do run corolla services, or partner with them, which should be the case for Gwadar also.
As I mentioned, I will still prefer taking my own car, with some modifications with the number plate; put a sticker where "Punjab" is written and it shall be ok imo. Or do something else to that effect.
Keep in touch.
Muzzammil


Asked
Thanks a lot for the valuable tips Muzammil. Really helpful indeed. As this would be my first time so I think it a better option not to use my Punjab registration car. I might lend from a colleague or relative for a weekend  and go and see who the ground situation is and if all goes well only then I might consider taking my own car. But thank you for taking the time out to explain in detail about your experience and tips. I might call you before setting off to get some more tips.


Feedback

I visited the makran coastal highway till hingol national park and pasni following your advice using the Islamabad number plate car with wify and kids. it was a wonderful experience and found no security issues at all. In fact people were very kind and hospitable. Your tips really helped. So thanks a lot for that advice.


Sunday, January 4, 2015

A Czech Wants to Visit the Makran Coastal Highway

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Dear Muzzammil,

I have read your very interesting and valuable posts on your blog and on LP Thorn Tree. Thanks a lot for posting for all the travel community.

I fly to Karachi next week and my plan is to hire a car and go by Makran Coastal Highway to Gwadar and back (I do not have much time). I thought no special permit is needed for this trip but now I am not sure. Would you please know what is the situation? Do I need any special permit other than visa?

Thanks a lot and if you ever visit Prague, Czech Republic, let me know.

Regards

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Dear D
Thanks for your email and your kind words about my posts. I'm glad that you are visiting Pakistan.
Makran Coastal Highway offers great scenery and untouched beaches. Definitely worth going, Hiring a car is probably the next big way to do it after self driving. So it is a go, imo.
Regarding the permit, I do not know of any such requirement for Gwadar. However, I can understand where you are coming from. Even if there is no requirement still then there is a chance that security forces might bug you on the way and try to stop you as well. They will be more interested in knowing your purpose of visit and 'only for the sake of traveling' might not be a convincing reason for them. However, if there is some 'business' then they might be more understanding.
Unless there is a specific reason for you to go all the way to Gwadar, I may suggest an alternate. One can make a day trip to Buzi Pass and then return back to Karachi by evening. This will be almost half way to Gwadar and most of the enroute wonders could be covered until this place.
And thanks for your kind offer regarding Prague, which is indeed a beautiful place and on my list from some time. Hopefully I will be visiting some time in the near future.
 
Happy travels
Muzzammil

Thursday, December 25, 2014

Karachi to Quetta and Ziarat

Quaid-e-Azam Residency in Ziarat, Balochistan
Asked

I've been following your travel blog and found it very interesting and informative. Now, I am planning for a Karachi - Quetta - Ziarat trip and need your help to make it a low cost, comfortable, and enjoyable as much as possible.
I am planning to leave this Saturday and return on Tuesday or Wednesday with my mother, wife, and 3 kids.
Appreciate your quick response.
 
JazzakAllah

Thanks & best regards,

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Regarding Karachi-Quetta-Ziarat, we first took Al-Aziz Coach from Karachi to Quetta. Seats were very comfortable (2+1 in a row rather than conventional 2+2 in a row) and the ride was also good, however, it is a long journey, around 12 hours, and if your family is not used to of long journeys than this may get tiring.

From Quetta, we took the public hiace to Ziarat, without staying in Quetta. However, I would not suggest this for you because it would be hectic for the family. Instead, I would suggest staying in Quetta overnights and then make a day trip to Ziarat the next day, and came back to Quetta for the night stay.

We visited Ziarat in November and it was very very cold out then. So in December it will be very harsh, especially Ziarat, so please do consider that because you mentioned that your mother will accompany you and usually for aged people cold is more troublesome.

If you can bear with that than as I suggested above, do plan to stay overnight in Quetta, and make a day trip to Ziarat. There is a PTDC in Ziarat but it was closed when we visited due to winters. The other hotel is Shalimar but since there is a gas crisis in Balochistan (http://tribune.com.pk/story/811368/balochistan-without-gas-for-third-straight-day/), it will not be viable.
This will be the rough plan for your trip:
Saturday: Depart for Quetta (there are two departures; early morning and then before sunset)
Sunday: Stay in Quetta
Monday: Day trip to Ziarat. Come back to Quetta around sunset.
Tuesday: Return back to Karachi

So these are two cents from my side. Hopefully it will help you in making a decision.

Regards

Muzzammil

Tuesday, January 14, 2014

Exploring More of Pakistan

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Salam Muzamil Bhai,

I write this email after reading your Travelogues. I am from Karachi and love to travel. Have seen better part of Pakistan. I never visited Balochistan but after reading your trip to Makran Coastal Highway I decided to just go without worrying about law and order scene. It was fruitful and if I had not came across to your blog I would have never knew what I was missing. 

Currently I am craving to see some mountains so I read your Kalash and Fairy Meadows trip. So here I am writing this to get your consultation about the areas to visit and plan efficiently. Brother I have seen Swa & Naran so I plan to see Gilgit Skardu side. Following your footsteps I have joined CS too. Please reply back and if possible please share your cell number.

Thank you again for writing fabulously.

I will be waiting for your reply.

Thanks.

JAVED
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WS Javed and thanks for your kind words. I am pleased to know that my writings cause you to think about exploring more.

If you have been to Swat and Naran, then the next destination must be the Northern Areas. I have visited NA 3 times now; first explored Hunza and Khunjerab, second time visited Skardu and Deosai, and third time visited Kalash and Fairy Meadows. I also suggest you exploring Hunza first. The best time is summers, i.e. May to September.

In Balochistan, I would suggest exploring Makran Coast. If you have your own car, then going a day trip to Kund Malir and Buzi Pass is possible, if you plan well. Winters, i.e. now, is the best time to explore the Makran belt.

So thanks again, and please feel free to contact me when you have a firm plan. I will be there to add value to that.

Regards

Muzzammil
http://mozumbus.blogspot.com

Friday, November 1, 2013

Ormara Guidance

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Hello I am planning to visit ormara beach via, Kund Malir and Winder. can you please guide me about current security situation? and is it better to stay at night on Kund Malir Beach ? In case we are planning our trip to ormara? what re the suggested timings to leave from Karachi ?

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can you please guide me about current security situation?
Security is not as bad as hyped up in the media but off-course there are risks which can be managed by planning well. I would suggest wearing shalwar kameez and let the beard grow a bit, so that you can blend into the environment. Plan your stopovers beforehand to minimize the risk. People usually avoid stopping at Hub, which makes sense to me, except for re-fueling. There are multiple security checks en-route, cooperate with them, and in fact when I go I do ask them about the security issue ahead and give attention to their word. Overall, the route is uninhabited with a strong presence of Navy, especially around Ormara, so around Makran Coast you will not find yourself insecure. On the other hand, please drive carefully as this is sort of a freeway and there are no rescue options available. This is a bigger risk imo. Keep drinking water, extra fuel, etc with you.

and is it better to stay at night on Kund Malir Beach ? In case we are planning our trip to ormara?
I have never stayed at Kund Malir Beach, though I wanted to, but there are no accommodation. I know people who stayed there with their camps, so if you are used to it, then it is a possibility. You need to register with the Coast Guard, in case of nigh stay, who will keep your CNICs and return that to you the next morning. However, this is not recommended if you have not camped before in the wilderness.

The only other alternative for the night stay is Navy's mess at Ormara, which is off-course feasible if you have a connection in the forces.

what re the suggested timings to leave from Karachi?
If you are going for a day trip, i.e. same day return which is possible and I have done that a multiple times, then leave as early as possible. I'd suggest 4am, so that you will be there at the Coastal Highway around Sunrise. If this is a 2 days trip, even then don't leave later than 8am.

Below are some of my previous experiences which you will find helpful:

http://mozumbus.blogspot.com/2010/09/makran-coastal-highway-karachi-to-pak.html
http://mozumbus.blogspot.com/2012/02/karachi-to-gwadar-survival-tips.html
http://mozumbus.blogspot.com/2010/10/chicken-karhai-on-makran-coastal.html
http://mozumbus.blogspot.com/2012/02/trip-report-cruising-through-great.html
http://mozumbus.blogspot.com/2010/09/one-road-two-thousand-kilometers-in.html

Hope you will find it helpful. Please feel free to ask if you have more questions.

Cheers and have a fun trip.

Muzzammil

Asked 
Firstly Thanks a lot for your kind response. I appreciate the way you facilitate me 😊
Secondly your suggestion are so helpful for me and I visited this place twice earlier in 2010 and late in 2009 but never did camping. so for now I am leaving that option. I will make my trip for one day that will starts from 4am. (Inshallah) as per your suggestion. I never  had a chance to visit  Buzi Pass and ormara. so this time I am planning to visit those places also, kindly give me some guidance regarding routes and how much time and fuel will it take to visit Ormara, as we have no fuel pumps out there in entire Coastal highway.
Is it fine to visit Nani Mandir, next to hingol river ??
is it worthy to visit Ormara beach or you suggest to keep my journey reserved only to Kund Malir or maximum to Buzi Pass?
 
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My pleasure Ahsan and I'm glad that you found my postings helpful.
Here goes response to your questions, hopefully not too late:

this time I am planning to visit those places also, kindly give me some guidance regarding routes and how much time and fuel will it take to visit Ormara, as we have no fuel pumps out there in entire Coastal highway.
Ormara is 80km from Kund Malir. So if you go non-stop then it will take an hour. However, if you stop around Buzi Pass and Princess of Hope then add another 1 hour. Since road is good it must not take more than 15 liters of extra fuel; keep 20 maximum. And keep a funnel with you, or alternatively you may stop by the make-shift fuel dhabaas and seek their help for funnel. There are a couple of pumps around Ormara but all sell low quality fuel which I would not like to rely on.

Is it fine to visit Nani Mandir, next to hingol river ??
Yes, it is absolutely fine and highly recommended. I took my coure all the way to Mandir and other friends have done that too and none reported any problems.


is it worthy to visit Ormara beach or you suggest to keep my journey reserved only to Kund Malir or maximum to Buzi Pass?
The best part of Ormara, i.e hammerhead at PNS Ahsan, lies with the Navy. Other than this also, I would recommend visiting Ormara since you have already been to Kind Malir. The beach is right at the main road near Ormara's main square and has great views with hammerhead in the background. There is a truck hotel too where you can have food and tea.
As far as the itinerary is concerned, I'd it the following way:
1. Karachi to Ormara, non-stop except for refueling and tea, leaving Buzi Pass for the return journey.
2. Ormara to Buza Pass.
3. Buzi Pass to Hingol, and there I will take decision to visit Nani Mandir keeping in view the time available. Keep 2 hours for that.
4  Hingol to Karachi. I would prefer crossing Hub not later than sunset.
So these are my two cents worth. Please do ask if you have more questions and please do share your experience once you are back.
Regards

Muzzammil

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I’ve gone through all your instructions and found them very useful, In sha Allah I will leave early morning in coming xxxx with prioritizing your useful tips on primary basis. 😊 Of course once I would be back I will share my experience.
Thanks a lot  for your useful help just answer to my last question that we are planning to take fried rice with roasted chicken along with us on this journey. kindly suggest us that it is better to take food from here? as none of us is aware of cooking. I know there are no Dhabb’as kind of thing till Buzi pass. and another thing is that my friends are forcing me to travel before sunrise as they want to see star gazing and sunrise on Kund Malir beach.
Check my Plan and guide me if I am missing anything: (Travelling hours are expected)

Leaving time 0100
Kund Malir 0600 (stay)

Buzi Pass 1000 (short stay for canyons)
Ormara 1100 (stay at beach)
0200 Kund Malir (Desert exploring)
0300 Nani Mandir
0500 (way Back to Karachi)
 
we will take 40 liters of water in portable water coolers, Cold drinks along with chips and biscuits, Roasted chicken with chicken fried rice and planning to have a cup of tea in between different hotels.

Looking forward for your reply 😊
Thanks a lot for such a kind response.


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Thanks a lot  for your useful help just answer to my last question that we are planning to take fried rice with roasted chicken along with us on this journey. kindly suggest us that it is better to take food from here? as none of us is aware of cooking. I know there are no Dhabb’as kind of thing till Buzi pass
My pleasure. Regarding food, you may take it with you but I might go without food 1) to keep it light and 2) I found and tried a decent truck hotel right on Hingol bridge, before Buzi Pass. Once we even had live Chicken Karhai and absolutely loved that. There is a clean toilet also, which is a big luxury in the wilderness, so do ask for the keys from the waiter. At Ormara, you will find more options, but I have not tried any. It would be important to mention here that you may not need to go in the Ormara town, unless you would like to explore that, as the beach is on the main road. For en-route tea, I would suggest stopping at the dhaba located right at the junction of RCD Highway (the Quetta Road) and Makran Coastal Highway, and will highly advice not to stop-by at other places.

and another thing is that my friends are forcing me to travel before sunrise as they want to see star gazing and sunrise on Kund Malir beach.
Check my Plan and guide me if I am missing anything: (Travelling hours are expected)

Leaving time 0100 (Saturday)
Kund Malir 0600 (stay)
Buzi Pass 1000 (short stay for canyons)
Ormara 1100 (stay at beach)
0200 Kund Malir (Desert exploring)
0300 Nani Mandir
0500 (way Back to Karachi)
This is exactly how I would like to do that!
Have fun and have a safe journey.

Muzzammil

and here goes the hotel where we had Chicken Karhai from:

http://mozumbus.blogspot.com/2010/10/chicken-karhai-on-makran-coastal.html